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Han Solo 11-19-2005 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by H_O_V
Why do people act like Jay Z dont spit lyrical shit, or got some tight punchlines. People just be hatin on him for no dam reason and making stupid fuckin comments about him after listenen to 2 of his tracks.

I am a fan, i sometimes vibe off his flow in my lyrics..but i am a bigger fan of people like nas, rakim, ras kass, and the wu. Your still missing what i am saying...i think this conversation is about whether or not Jay is the GREATEST LYRICIST alive..I kinda feel like saying that is like saying Bush is the best president we've had since Jimmy Carter. Becuz Jay's focus on rap was for the business aspect, he's a hustler...so he saw a spot open in music where no one was taking it over and he did that, that's what a good hustler does they're not afraid of challenges. But if you say the "greatest alive", you HAVE to take into account his lyricism. And the truth is, he has gotten watered down over the years, he just knows how to write things that will sell, not really things that will impress hardcore listeners cuz he knows there's only so many of 'em nowadays and that's not where the money's at.

Donmega 11-20-2005 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Witherspoon
^i second that.

But i'm not buying the shit about GZA being better than Rakim. Your are talking about two people who are masters at battling, punchlines, wordplay, and imagery. sometimes so suddle people don't catch on to it, i've been saying it for years:

...this is when wutang first showed, Gza has a verse that to ME rivals, unforgetable verses like Kane's on Marley Marl's Symphony and Redmans on Full cooperation..

"first of..who's ya' A&R?
a mountain climber, who plays..and electric guitar?
but he don't know the meaning of dope
when he's looking for a "suit and tie" rap,
that's cleaner than a bar of soap
and i'm the dirtiest thing in sight, matter fact
bring out the girls, and lets have a mud fight"

GZA is better than Nas, and Nas is handsdown one of the greatest.
Both are better than Jay, Jay was nice during Reasonable Doubt...
still, then you couldn't compare it to shit from Nas and Gza. Jay knows how to sell records, that's all...50 is doing the exact same shit and people fall for it! Does that also make 50 one of the best rappers of all time?! becuz he can entertain you! They're all crowd pleasers...those that wanna hear an artist with uniqueness and display lyricism that is vast and intelligible in writing will listen to GZA, Nas, or Rakim, and respect it. Those who don't care about extensive lyric ability but can enjoy a simple song that don't require much thought or imagination listen to 50 and Jay.

And if you think Gza is still better than Rakim, listen joints like "know the ledge", "follow the leader", and "Let the rhythm hit'em". He is and originator of sudle disses, sharply clever lines, and concept writing, before you heard some of Gza joints.

"so whenever you see me, come up freeze/
............or you'll be one of those seven emcees/"

i got rakims 18th letter/book of life & The Master

but i still think that GZA is a better lyricits

The FranchiZe 11-23-2005 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mc Ice
i got rakims 18th letter/book of life & The Master

but i still think that GZA is a better lyricits

^And that my friends, is the beauty of an argument with no exact answer. That's an opinion I can respect since GZA is fuckin' sick.

~Kobr@~ 11-25-2005 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow
I'd rather put it on NO ONE. How the fuck can you call someone the greatest rapper alive? We've haven't listened to all there is to hear.... This is an opinion.... I've heard better than Jay-Z.....

I agree wit ya on that one.

BIGBENT73 11-26-2005 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by micvickXL
In my opinion Jay is the best rapper alive. His wordplay is bananas, his freestyles, no one can fuck wit he's got the total package that u want in an MC


did you ever look at jay's lyrics, how many of them u think he took fromothers peeps songs?

loads!!!!!!!


jus 1 example.

couldnt bust a grape in a fruit fight.

he took that from an old LL song . dam my mind is blank, but im thinkin song is called steppin to a.m. but i know thats an old 3rd base song!!!!!!

H_O_V 11-28-2005 05:26 PM

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^All rappers bite in some form or another, people act like Jay is the only one to do it. Shit music is recycled constantly by everyone.

Packo X 03-26-2006 01:56 PM

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Hell no is jay z the greatest rapper alive.. Nas walks all over him, not to forget Fabolous, or if we're to go underground then someone like Immortal Technique would eat Hova for breakfast.

jokester 03-26-2006 11:44 PM

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yeah, if its promoting, touring, record sales, the yeah, its jay, but im a canibus dude myself.

DieN 03-27-2006 06:50 AM

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Well, Not Everyone Wants To Go Mainstream, Some Stay Underground Because They Love Rap/Battling, They Don't Give A Fuck About Bein' Rich Or Touring.. So With That Said, I Think There Realy Is Not/Wasn't A "Greatest Emcee"

K0NKLU510N 03-27-2006 07:17 AM

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jay-z has some good linez but i'd rather listen to nas, i like nas's flow


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